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No, Atheists Don't Have to Show "Respect" for Religion | Belief | AlterNet

Seeded on Tue Feb 8, 2011 11:05 AM EST
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religion, glenn-beck, religious-right, catholic-church, atheists
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Progressive believers often ignore religious differences in the name of tolerance. But this ecumenicalism promotes anti-atheist hostility and shows a disregard for the truth.

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Rodney-889389

Progressive and moderate religious believers absolutely have objections to religious beliefs that are different from theirs. Serious, passionate objections. They object to the Religious Right; they object to Al Qaeda. They object to right-wing fundamentalists preaching homophobic hatred, to Muslim extremists executing women for adultery, to the Catholic Church trying to stop condom distribution in AIDS-riddled Africa, to religious extremists all over the Middle East trying to bomb each other back to the Stone Age. Etc., etc., etc. Even when they share the same nominal faith as these believers, they are clearly appalled at the connection: they fervently reject being seen as having anything in common with them, and often go to great lengths to distance themselves from them.

Include me in this line of thinking. Extremism, no matter the reason, is just that...extreme

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Feb 8, 2011 11:07 AM EST
Future History

Fear of the afterlife ... the best motivator for irrational thinking. Get over that and it's all downhill. It's not called the opiate of the masses for nothin.

  • 4 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Feb 8, 2011 1:13 PM EST
Andrew3378

John Lennon put it best:

  • 3 votes
#2.1 - Tue Feb 8, 2011 3:27 PM EST
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Andrew3378

    Reply#3 - Tue Feb 8, 2011 3:34 PM EST
    Andrew3378

    Does anyone know why I can't use links? It's crazy. I see everyone using them but I can't. I am trying to put a link for Imagine from John Lennon.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#4 - Tue Feb 8, 2011 3:36 PM EST
    Future History

    I just open two internet explorers, copy the location from one and paste into the newsvine comment box on the other.

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    #4.1 - Tue Feb 8, 2011 3:45 PM EST
    Andrew3378

    Well I use Chrome but the rest I do same and it just won't post.

      #4.2 - Tue Feb 8, 2011 3:47 PM EST
      Future History

      There's a group called "newsvine help" that maybe you can somehow post the question to. I've never used it, but I see it in the list of groups.

        #4.3 - Tue Feb 8, 2011 4:01 PM EST
        joe-1280782

        Does anyone know why I can't use links? It's crazy. I see everyone using them but I can't. I am trying to put a link for Imagine from John Lennon.

        Go to google..type in John lennon..go down the list and click on the one you want..when the youtube link opens, Highlight it in your address bar and copy and then hit paste in the post..let me know if it works for you

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b7qaSxuZUg

        • 1 vote
        #4.4 - Tue Feb 8, 2011 4:05 PM EST
        Andrew3378

        LOL I did exactly that. No go. It shows blank.

        • 1 vote
        #4.5 - Tue Feb 8, 2011 4:08 PM EST
        deacondeelo

        We'll pray for you, Andrew...;-)...♥♥♥

        • 3 votes
        #4.6 - Tue Feb 8, 2011 4:15 PM EST
        joe-1280782

        We'll pray for you, Andrew

        Your funny deacon, however, other than contacting me if you need me to post it for you, I don't know what to tell you..Do you have a computer guy you rely on?

        • 1 vote
        #4.7 - Tue Feb 8, 2011 4:26 PM EST
        XNihil0Zer0

        Does anyone know why I can't use links?

        You're a new user. It takes a month or so before you can use links. It helps to curb spammers.

        • 5 votes
        #4.8 - Tue Feb 8, 2011 4:31 PM EST
        Andrew3378

        Ah, thanks!! At least I know why now.

        • 2 votes
        #4.9 - Tue Feb 8, 2011 4:35 PM EST
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        ksilvers59

        Truth is a social agreement. So who's truth is truth? Your truth, my truth , her truth his truth? What ever a person believe in is a truth. Look at all the denominations just in Christianity. Islam is not monolithic nor is Buddhism or Hinduism. With all the different belief systems who truth is truth. Truth will always be truth to the ones who believes it to be truth.

          Reply#5 - Tue Feb 8, 2011 8:24 PM EST
          XNihil0Zer0

          Truth in the standard model of the system cannot be defined within the system.

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          #5.1 - Tue Feb 8, 2011 8:27 PM EST
          Penn-2066334

          Gee, where do I start......how about the assumption that the truth is available; the fundamental flaw of this 4 page article......

          When faced with these different ideas, are you really going to shrug your shoulders, and say "My, how fascinating, look at all these different ideas, isn't it amazing how many ways people have of seeing God, what a magnificent tapestry of faith humanity has created"?

          Do you really not care which of these ideas is, you know, true?

          Why don't they compare notes and trade places and carefully examine the elephant and actually try to figure out what it is? You know -- the way we do in science?

          Ok. Let's take a scientific journey to find the truth............

          remember in school when they taught you that electrons, protons, and neutrons were tiny balls of matter. Even that is not always true. What? They taught us lies? No, they were teaching you in just a way that your young mind could have some kind of explanation of what is down there at that level. The electron is not really matter as we know it anyway, its just a cloud of energy. Ok, that's somewhat believable so far. Here is where you'll have to choke down some faith. Electrons, protons, neutrons are popping in and out of existence constantly. Scientists don't know why, they don't know where they go. They just know they do. New theories suggest parallel universes. Yes, I said it - parallel universes. This is real science, darn it! I'm just the messenger. This is not some quack pot writing this webpage. (Ok, so maybe I'm a little strange). This stuff is true science as far as our feeble minds can comprehend. It gets even weirder with the Double Slit Experiment so stick around. To explain this experiment, we first must truly grasp the difference between a particle and a wave.

          Hummmm, what is all this talk about faith coming from the scientific community?????

          please read the rest of this at.......

          http://www.doubleslitexperiment.com/

          also .....

          http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=the+slit+experiment

          If the author loathes hypocrisy, give up the notion of having superior knowledge, and that the rest of the world are fools. Otherwise, you face becoming what you loath the most (a person drowning in a sea of self righteous foolishness). If, the author cannot except the bitterness of this advice then perhaps the author should dispense the time revealing to all of us what the truth is. I read a long list of criticism, but no evidence of what the truth is, thereby, the author failed to seal the convictions of the presumed flawed ideas being prosecuted.

          Albeit, it is likely that every religion is flawed, but it is one thing to try and fail and another to have an obsessive preoccupation of mocking those that miss the mark. This is all that atheists offer to the debate, and the reason that they are not welcomed with open arms. What does atheism offer that is different then the circular logic of religion? If i say no one knows the truth, how can my statement be true, since inclusively, i too don't know what the truth is? i could be wrong..........All of it is circular logic. The athiest beats religion over the head with their atheistic blind mans walking cane because religion attempted to walk while being blind.

          You may take the position that if it if it is impossible to know the truth then trying is an act of vanity? However, life and everything under the sun is vanity, and yet, I don't see herds of atheist jumping off of cliffs to avoid participating in said vanity. We are all adorned with the emperors clothing, which are made of the finest threads of lies that can only be found in our personal kingdom of hypocrisy. We are all nakedly presumptuous...............

            #5.2 - Wed Feb 9, 2011 1:11 PM EST
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            RAY FRIEDMAN

            The article is as I would call it a cute attempt to feel self pity and indulgence.As stated any form of radical extreme beliefs are inherently dangerous, yet we need to have boundaries in our belief hierarchy, otherwise you are spineless and can uphold no moral standards. A truly tolerant person is one who is open minded. willing to listen and be teachable, to seek truth . Add a little humility and we are good to go as Morally tolerant learners, so though there are those that do not tolerate and promote anti atheism this is not the result of most truly moderate thinkers or at least not substantiated in any way. So I say to her easy does it and enjoy your beliefs as I do muine

            • 1 vote
            Reply#6 - Wed Feb 9, 2011 5:06 AM EST
            Stranger On The Shore

            So I say to her easy does it and enjoy your beliefs as I do muine

            Good advice Ray. We should all be able to enjoy our beliefs, whether we believe in a deity or not.

            In my personal view, absolute truths stand independently of man's belief or unbelief in them. I can say that the concept of gravity is not a truth, however gravity is not dependent on my belief in it to exist. I can say that earth is planar and not round, but I would be wrong, as my belief does not change the reality of the truth.

            We group ourselves and subdivide ourselves into various units, but I think when it all comes down, we will all stand or fall as individuals on our own decisions and beliefs.

            Peace.

              #6.1 - Wed Feb 9, 2011 1:09 PM EST
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              joe-1280782

              God cannot be both an intentional, sentient being and a diffuse supernatural force animating all life. God cannot be both a personal intervening force in our daily lives and a vague metaphorical abstraction of the concepts of love and existence. Dead people cannot both go to heaven and be reincarnated. Etc

              My only question is..How does he know what God can and cannot be?..If there truly is a God..it would seem to me that he is more of a contradiction than we give him/her credit for

              I see it as a matter of Faith, and I would never deny somebody the right to believe in the God they want to believe in, even if they believe that they will be rewarded with 72 Virgins in heaven by killing the infidels, as in Radical Muslim..That does not mean I would accept their interpretation, I would do everything in my power to defeat it

              • 1 vote
              Reply#7 - Wed Feb 9, 2011 6:35 PM EST
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