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Man Beats Wife, Judge Orders Him to Take Her Out to Red Lobster and the Bowling Alley

Seeded on Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:02 AM EST
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A judge in Florida has sentenced a man charged with domestic battery to take his wife, and victim, on a date. Or as MSNBC puts it in their disgusting lede: "Just in time for Valentine's Day, a Florida judge ruled on Tuesday that a man involved in a scuffle with his wife treat her to an evening at a local bowling alley and a romantic meal at Red Lobster." 

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Rodney-889389

From the "you can't make this stuff up file"...

  • 6 votes
Reply#1 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:03 AM EST
Happily BLUE in Ohio

A judge who rules with that mentality should be in lock-up for "date night" with the boys....

  • 9 votes
#1.1 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:46 AM EST
ERich-356044

Agreed Happily!!!

  • 4 votes
#1.2 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:21 AM EST
madvargr

Here's a judge that needs to be disbarred.

I can't wait till the follow up story when he kills her and is brought back to the same judge for arraignment on murder.

I've been personally involved in now two homicides from domestic violence in the past 30 days - judges need to get off their lazy @!$%#ing asses and take domestic violence seriously or more women lawmakers need to get elected so shooting a husband is no longer illegal.

http://www.swtimes.com/news/article_49a1701a-37b1-11e1-811c-001871e3ce6c.html

http://www.4029tv.com/r/30388971/detail.html

  • 3 votes
#1.3 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:33 AM EST
Syntactic Tree

From the "you can't make this stuff up file"...

I'm looking for the satire tag... or a link that somehow traces this back to The Onion. Was this an actual, bona fide ruling?!?

  • 1 vote
#1.4 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:51 PM EST
skeptic-227981

Syntactic, this kind of treatment occurs in all kinds of settings - court, military, churches, even counseling settings. All the abuser has to do is 'connect' with whatever ruling authority they are in front of, and the victim can kiss any justice good bye.

************

As for the 'she may have started it' scenarios discussed elsewhere, it's just as likely she was ticked because he forgot her birthday one. more. time. after going out and getting some 'toy' or bauble, or spending money on something for himself and she finally had enough and said something. To shut her up, literally, he grabbed her by the neck. She was able to get to phone and made the call. Then she got into court, saw how the dynamics were going, and backed down. And he probably won't take her to dinner (unless the judge had enough foresight to require RECEIPTS) and she will have to say he did what he was supposed to, even though he didn't.....

When my now EX-husband did this to me, I was pregnant with our second child. He pinned me to the couch by my neck with his hand and wedged his body on me so I couldn't get up. I kept talking because I was really pissed off. He put his hand over my mouth.

And I started shoving my tongue through his fingers. He finally let up. I think the fact that I didn't back down, even though I was flat on back, freaked him out, which actually may have saved me.

There was no phone.

It wasn't the first time he pinned me by the neck - first time was when I was headed out to the OB/GYN. He didn't want the pregnancy on record. He pinned me to a wall.

Yes, I went to a lawyer - who told me if a divorce was final before the baby was born, I'd have to hunt him down for a paternity test. I can't even describe here how crazy, absurd, insulting, and ridiculous that news was.

I doubt this was the first time this guy has hit or choked this woman. The arguing and underlying 'stuff' was not addressed in court. And if she lives, she'll probably divorce him at some point.

The judge needs to lose his job and never be let near a position of authority again.

  • 2 votes
#1.5 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:15 PM EST
Reply
Tim from Seattle0

since when is raising your hand at a woman beating one up?

    Reply#2 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:20 AM EST
    Happily BLUE in Ohio

    since when is raising your hand at a woman beating one up?

    ???? According to the article,

    Bray's wife claims that her husband shoved her against a sofa and grabbed her neck. 

    That's a bit more than raising his hand at his wife, but as my mother taught me, "just let a man know that if he ever raises his hand at you, he'll pull back a bloody stump!" And I've never hand to make good on that.

    • 5 votes
    #2.1 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 6:53 AM EST
    Real Facts

    That's a bit more than raising his hand at his wife, but as my mother taught me, "just let a man know that if he everraises his hand at you, he'll pull back a bloody stump!" And I've never hand to make good on that.

    While I agree that a man should never abuse a woman- whether it be his wife or any other- we do not know all the details of this incident. Who is to say that the wife did not push him, or slap him first which then elicited a response from him? Again, the man should not have done this to his wife, but he could have been reacting to something she did to him.

    • 1 vote
    #2.2 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:07 AM EST
    Happily BLUE in Ohio

    Again, the man should not have done this to his wife, but he could have been reacting to something she did to him.

    It's really quite simple. If she used force against him, then he should have walked away rather than responding with force. You are attempting to justify his actions.

    • 3 votes
    #2.3 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:50 AM EST
    Real Facts

    It's really quite simple. If she used force against him, then he should have walked away rather than responding with force. You are attempting to justify his actions.

    Really? Have you never been involved in an argument? What if the wife pushed him against the wall, and would not let him walk away? What is he supposed to do in that case, if he is cornered? Look I am not saying that is definitely what happened, but with the evidence we have, we do not know that is not what happened. The only justification I am providing is if he did not initiate the physicality of the confrontation, if he did initiate it, he is completely in the wrong. Are you saying that a man is never justified in defending himself if a woman assaults him?

    • 2 votes
    #2.4 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:28 AM EST
    Happily BLUE in Ohio

    Have you never been involved in an argument? What if the wife pushed him against the wall, and would not let him walk away? What is he supposed to do in that case, if he is cornered?

    Yes, I have been involved in arguments; no, I have not engaged in physical fights with significant others.

    But get real! You are still trying to justify his phyical attack with all kinds of crazy scenarios.

    • 2 votes
    #2.5 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:55 AM EST
    teresa-498430

    Who is to say that the wife did not push him, or slap him first which then elicited a response from him? Again, the man should not have done this to his wife, but he could have been reacting to something she did to him.

    These questions offend the sensibilities but I will bite. Obviously the wife did not hit the abuser first because the judge would have thrown the book at her, lliterally and figuratively. Attempting to excuse the behavior of the abuser by blaming the victim is pathetic. The judge ruling speaks volumes about his lack of concern for victims of violence; he made a mockery out of his own court. He probably hits his wife and then takes her to red lobster only to hit her again and again.

    • 2 votes
    #2.6 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:21 AM EST
    Real Facts

    But get real! You are still trying to justify his phyical attack with all kinds of crazy scenarios.

    Get the @!$%# out. Look at this quote that I said:

    The only justification I am providing is if he did not initiate the physicality of the confrontation, if he did initiate it, he is completely in the wrong.

    Is that offering justification? When I denounced what he did if he was the one who initiated it? Is it really a crazy scenario to imagine his wife may have cornered him? Look, we only know what was presented in the article, which is not a whole lot. If you have other facts about the story I would be happy to hear them.

    These questions offend the sensibilities but I will bite.

    Asking whether it is possible she initiated the physical nature of the argument offends your sensibilities? Because it is not at all possible that she did?

    Obviously the wife did not hit the abuser first because the judge would have thrown the book at her, lliterally and figuratively.

    Well obviously /sarc. Not like we don't know all the facts of the situation, or that men are much less likely to report abuse/assault coming from women right?

    Attempting to excuse the behavior of the abuser by blaming the victim is pathetic.

    Please refer to my response to Happily in this comment.

    The judge ruling speaks volumes about his lack of concern for victims of violence; he made a mockery out of his own court.

    Or maybe it speaks to the fact that there could be more to this story than is reported in the news... Who the @!$%# knows, I don't, do you?

    He probably hits his wife and then takes her to red lobster only to hit her again and again.

    And then we proceed into libel. Wonderful.

    • 1 vote
    #2.7 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:32 AM EST
    Tim from Seattle0

    long story short - there was no violence - woman got to eat out and enjoy a night with her SO. judge has better things to do but not all of you out there still talking about it.

    • 1 vote
    #2.8 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:26 PM EST
    Happily BLUE in Ohio

    woman got to eat out and enjoy a night with her SO

    Whatever makes you think a person would enjoy having dinner with someone who physically abused her? And yes, his actions were physical abuse. I'd like the assh*le SO who mistreated this woman and the dumb ass judge who suggested the date to spend some time with the boys in the general population of the nearest prison.

    • 2 votes
    #2.9 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 5:29 PM EST
    Tim from Seattle0

    happily in blue please reread the article - it clearly states she has reconciled with him and does not wish any court action to be taken - whether that is right or wrong is hardly for you to decide.

      #2.10 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:01 PM EST
      Happily BLUE in Ohio

      I did read the article and no, it doesn't say she reconciled with him. It says the judge ordered the "date." Big difference and certainly lets the public know that the judge knows nothing about domestic violence, nor does anyone who supports this.

      • 1 vote
      #2.11 - Sat Feb 11, 2012 3:44 AM EST
      Tim from Seattle0

      Then do a little research for yourself. FFS it is not freaking hard. Google is your friend.

        #2.12 - Sat Feb 11, 2012 12:21 PM EST
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        JAVE

        This story doesn't sound as outrageous as first appears. There was no beating.

        They did a bad job choosing a writer for this story that had a personal experience that so colored their worldview. It is not right to assume that this wife is just stupid, mousey and only agreed to the sentence because the husband was near by. The husband and wife were living together from the incident to the court date. Under the law the woman is not considered competent enough to make the decision to drop the charges.

        It is not unreasonable to accept the woman's word in court instead of believing her incapable of making that decision.

        • 2 votes
        Reply#3 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:20 AM EST
        Happily BLUE in Ohio

        This story doesn't sound as outrageous as first appears. There was no beating.

        I agree that the writer was incredibly biased, but...

        Do you honestly think a that a woman who was pushed and grabbed by the neck should then go out on a date with the man that used force against her?

        • 8 votes
        #3.1 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:25 AM EST
        JAVE

        Do you honestly think a that a woman who was pushed and grabbed by the neck should then go out on a date with the man that used force against her?

        She made the choice to forgive him and continue living together as husband and wife before the trial, maybe it was not a horrible ruling. Considering it is not an ongoing problem, the low level of violence and the wife agreeing with the sentence it seems reasonable. I'm not sure sending him to prison and having the wife become homeless would of been a better ending to this story.

        • 1 vote
        #3.2 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:43 AM EST
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        buckeyenut-2225921

        WOW! not only can't this judge pass a proper sentencing on to the guilty party but Red Lobster and the bowling alley? Do they even serve a decent wine at red lobster? talk about a cheap date. I guess it could have been worse he could have said burger king or pizza hut.

        I think he should have required punishment in the form of one of those videos you see where there's just a foot and a twig and berries.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#4 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:46 AM EST
        Tim from Seattle0Deleted
        buckeyenut-2225921

        I'm not rich but I can afford much better food than Red Lobster can provide. But hey, if you like your seafood like you like your women (fast and tasteless) more power to ya.

        • 4 votes
        #4.2 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:26 AM EST
        CCArm

        But hey, if you like your seafood like you like your women (fast and tasteless) more power to ya.

        heh heh, nice little laugh this morning, thanks!

        • 3 votes
        #4.3 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:19 AM EST
        TarAz

        The judge asked her where she likes to eat and what she likes to do. Her response was Red Lobster and bowling. So the judge ordered him to take her where SHE likes to go - not what the judge likes.

        Some of you may disagree but - I think the judge did a nice thing here. Every marriage has its ups and downs, granted it should never turn violent. The judge after asking the wife if she felt safe, decided rather than put this guy into the system and potentially ruin both of their lives with huge court costs, probation & fees, he figured a nice date night out for them would do more to repair their relationship than putting him in jail for a few days.

        I read another article where the judge actually ordered them to go to marriage counceling within a week after their date night.

        • 2 votes
        #4.4 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:22 AM EST
        Tim from Seattle0Deleted
        buckeyenut-2225921

        Timmmmaaay,

        Im a conservative. I don't have any idea where you'd come up with the idea I'm a liberal.

        And yes, life is good.

        You live in an area with a world famous fish market. I'd start there and learn to cook.

        Man you really need to learn to relaxe and look at the lighter side of life. All this anger is gonna kill ya. I was joking with my first post and just poking you for making an angry reply to my first post. In the words of Nacho Libre " take it eeeeeeeeeasy"'

        I do understand why you'd be grouchy living in rain and crappy weather most of the time. Come to Ohio, the sun shines here.

        • 1 vote
        #4.6 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:42 PM EST
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        sugarcupid-5195893Deleted
        Future History

        Excuse me waiter - that man at the next table appears to be drowning a woman in her lobster bisque.

        • 2 votes
        Reply#6 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:03 AM EST
        Connie says

        I would have told that judge "I don't mind him taking me to Red Lobster and the bowling alley, just as long as you don't mind me taking him to the morgue if he puts his hands on me again."

        Unbelievable!!!!

        • 2 votes
        Reply#7 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:42 AM EST
        Tim from Seattle0

        but Connie - he didn't put his hands on her any different then he does in his daily life. You dont touch your husband? Point is, she was never in any harm and the judge recognized that.

          #7.1 - Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:33 PM EST
          Happily BLUE in Ohio

          blockquote>

          He shoved her to the sofa and put his hand around her neck. If the husband does that in "daily life" he a repeat abuser, or you have a sick view of what is a normal relationship.

          Point is, she was never in any harm and the judge recognized that.

          Interesting that two men who are not the victims of this physical abuse are so quick to justify and protect the actions of the abuser.

          • 1 vote
          #7.2 - Sat Feb 11, 2012 3:49 AM EST
          Rodney-889389

          but Connie - he didn't put his hands on her any different then he does in his daily life

          ???

          Are u OK Tim?

            #7.3 - Sat Feb 11, 2012 3:58 AM EST
            Happily BLUE in Ohio

            he didn't put his hands on her any different then he does in his daily life

            Bray's wife claims that her husband shoved her against a sofa and grabbed her neck. 

            Then the perpetrator is a repeat abuser or you have a pretty sick view of what constitutes "daily life" in a relationship.

            she was never in any harm and the judge recognized that

            It's sad that two men condone such behavior toward a woman.

            • 1 vote
            #7.4 - Sat Feb 11, 2012 4:04 AM EST
            Tim from Seattle0

            its sad you try to make everything into a big spectacle. so what he shoved her... waaaaaa. can't even prove that cause there is no marks - no harm no foul.

              #7.5 - Sat Feb 11, 2012 12:23 PM EST
              Happily BLUE in Ohio

              Geez, I feel bad for any woman in your life. It's okay to abuse if you don't leave a mark???
              Talk about making a spectacle of one's self--you've revealed yourself as someone who thinks abuse is acceptable.

              • 1 vote
              #7.6 - Sat Feb 11, 2012 12:32 PM EST
              Tim from Seattle0

              and you revealed yourself as one that overreacts to life. get a grip grow up and let the woman live in peace.

                #7.7 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 2:15 AM EST
                Happily BLUE in Ohio

                and you revealed yourself as one that overreacts to life. get a grip grow up and let the woman live in peace.

                How foolish! None of the opinions expressed here have any effect on how this woman will continue her life.

                As for "growing up," take your own suggestion. You are talking like an adult bully and we know that those types are deficient; they bully to make up for their inadequacies. You've earned my "Ignore this Author" click so there will be no further communication with you.

                  #7.8 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 6:10 AM EST
                  Tim from Seattle0

                  I tend to block out everybody that thinks differently then me.. oh wait I'm not an elitist.

                    #7.9 - Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:25 PM EST
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                    denver bill 2

                    Obviously, the wife didn't initiate the physical confrontation. If she had done so, this idiot judge would have ordered her to sleep with her husband after the dinner date.

                    • 1 vote
                    Reply#8 - Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:11 PM EST
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